Don't forget... this Wednesday evening at 10:00PM ET We'll be bringing you another episode of "Only Two Things". This Week's episode is called "Golf on Mars vs Golf on Venus" and it'll to look at the differences between the way guys and girls look at golf.
We'll ask questions like: "Is it ever a good idea for men and women to play together?"... "Do men really want to share the golf course with women?"... "Is there just too much competing for the average women's attention...can she ever enjoy (learn) golf?"... "Are men equipment-obsessed in a way women just aren't ?"... "Why don't women like to play for money?" ... "What is it with men and beverage cart girls?" Callers... as always... are encouraged to weigh in.
Sounds great! I'll have a listen. A debate we need to get to the bottom of quickly!
ReplyDeleteVery interested in your thoughts on the differences in obsessions towards golf equipment.
For the record, I think having a small wager makes me play better. But I refuse to exchange nickels and quarters with golfing partners. There needs to be paper money on the line. :o)
ReplyDeleteSounds like fun. I'll have to tune in !
ReplyDeleteI hope you're going to explain to the audience the difference between male equipment (clubs, balls...alcohol) vs womens equipment (shoes, skirts, tops, dresses, wine...) :-D
oh - and don't kid yourself - it just depends on the women. I've played with some women who play for more than the guys I usually play with.
ReplyDeleteSuena muy divertido!
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ReplyDeletewithout having read any of the other comments yet i will apologizae in advance if this was already mentioned but THREE words descibe the entire difference between the sexes on the course in america
PACE OF PLAY !
the very thought of a women foursome in front is one that strikes horrendous dread in all the men behind that group
is this justified - i don't know - certainly not in europe
PACE OF PLAY is what makes every GOLFER assess that days round and women, rightly or not, are a contributing factor to a SLOW round in the minds of men
can certain men play slow, of course, but another man is entitled to tell that slow poke to speed it up or pick it up or else move aside
of course that same man will not say a word to the slow women - no man will - as it appears impolite
anyway that's what i've observed
frankD
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as for MIXED foursomes -
ReplyDeletespeaking as a single male i have on many occasions had women join me on the golf course - sometimes for romantic reasons, sometimes for business, sometimes as caddy and sometimes purely social, read eye candy
what this creates is both a problem and pleasure for the married guys in my foresome
just think what the spouses of those married guys will say when they learn of my "guest"
it is only that i know the wives well enough over the many years, and typically the wives who have absolutely no desire to GOLF, that i can arrange certain combinations with certain guys
others regret not being able to participate unless its "just the guys" so we do those rounds also
but there are those guys i know that have been prohibited from our weekend long "retreats" whereas i have been known to provide the "caddies"
oddly in discussing this with the spouses who get bent out of shape, their main complaint is that their man is capable of carrying on a four hour conversation with another women, when, at home, he doesn't give his wife four minutes of talk time - this is odd to me because it is difficult for that spouse to believe there may have been very little talk at all going on, well that's what i told her, and he later told me he caught hell for me saying that
anyway maybe i'll just listen to the show to see if this is an apropriate inquiry
frankD
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Pretty solid observation on the etiquette of guys getting on guys to speed up vs getting on a group of women.
ReplyDeleteIt's taboo to hit a woman (or at least it's supposed to be - some guys don't get it, and some women take advantage of the courtesy) - and it's almost as taboo to yell at the women. It's an awkward situation in the cases when a group of women actually are the slow play culprits.
On the other hand - there are a lot of days when there isn't a woman on the course and it still takes 5 1/2 hours to get around.
It's not a gender issue - it's a courtesy issue. My brother's ex-wife would play with us and she couldn't break 100 on her best day, but we never took more than 4 hours to play.
Providing "caddies", eh ? Now that sounds like a fun weekend trip.
No one likes slow play, but I don't think that's a gender specific issue.
ReplyDeletePersonally I've always found it odd for guys not to want to play with women. They complain about pace of play but really they don't believe women belong there on their course or should compete against them.
It's these type of people that I really don't enjoy playing with.
I can't count the number of male foursomes who have let our "girly" group play through.
ReplyDeleteAnd I have had men hit into me before. Some men just cringe to see a women foursome in front of them. We've had men actually go into the pro shop and demand to be moved when they see us in front of them.
The staff assures them they won't see us after the 3rd hole. It's usually the 2nd. :o)
just to be clear - i don't think ALL women play SLOW but as i mentioned above - in the MINDS of most men they do
ReplyDeleteagain, in europe this is almost never the case
frankD
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as for MIXED foursomes
ReplyDeletei listened to your last show and can make two suggestions
1) if a woman really wants to play but her spouse is not willing to allow her on a course "alone" - let her find three other women
2) if guys have an opening in their foursome and a married woman wants to join and round out the group as a walk on single - it is up to the woman to set the stage as to how the men are to react
i've been to enough resort golf courses, during holidays, whereas spouses, men and women, avid golfers, do have occasion to play seperately - meaning the woman plays with unknown men and vise-versa
under these circumstances where premium fees are being charged and it is typically very busy, believe me EVERYONE is on their best behavior to play well, enjoy and move things along
if all of a sudden i am matched up with a gorgeous available woman well the last place i would want to be with her is in a wide open and very public space
you keep refering to tiger woods, but to my knowledge, none of those ladies were ever on a golf course with him
no, women spouses are usually are more MAD at another woman having a similar interest, golf, AS their husband not necessarily IN their husband
the perception is always more fantastic than the reality
anyway i hope to tune in tonight
frankD
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If you wish to find a truly unique and classic golf experience travel to a place called Machrihanish, GC outside Campbelltown, Scotland on the Kintyre Peninsula jutting out on the Irish Sea with views of Jura and Islay --- fantastic!!!!
ReplyDeleteLike many Scotish courses, Machrihanish is right smack in the center of the town- it functions as town square as well as chief recreational activity for all townspeople. The concept of male/female play is very different v. issues as you all describe. A round of golf at this fantastic place usually involves relatives, pets, kids, and other non playing observers. One rule I am aware of is that it is considered very bad form for a husband to instruct his wife (i have seen wives threaten to clunk an offending spouse on the head w/ mashie for such an offense).
One of the main events of the year is called the "old folks open" where, you guessed it, the most "advanced" players compete in classic match play competition - winners have been known to break down and cry in front of the entire town when presented with the top medal. What is so wonderful about this place is that the plumber, carpenter, lawyer, judge, business owner... etc all play together and families mix on the course every weekend.
The knowledge of the game and level of expertise is astonishing ... the hardiest players take very few lessons at Machrihanish - they seem to favor "home-grown, wristy punch shots that fly under the wind" - the course is a topic of endless discussion - but in a more classic sense - conversations are driven by the elements rather than what the greenskeeper has or hasn't done for players.
A true test of golf and breath of fresh air. Try it and discover a different game v. what we know and describe...
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ReplyDeleteRE BOOBS and the golf swing
patricia,
in listening to last nights show this morning, i hope your listeners dont think that your comment regarding my post revealing BOOBS being detrimental to the golf swing is ORIGINAL thinking on my part, for the record here is the story on BOOBS - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/augusta/news/wright.html
wishing you continued success !
frankD
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